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Song: With The Indians Permanent
Year: 1983

Versions:
With The Indians Permanent - 1983 Demo [Studio]
With The Indians Permanent - Album version [Studio]

S: Your new song With The Indians Permanent seems to be bits of Jack Kerouac.

D: Yeah, the quote is from Neal Cassidy and it was when they were parting company on the Mexican border and Neal was trying to persuade him to become a railway man. Kerouac didn't want to know and he left to go down to William Burroughs' house. That's when Cassidy commented: "he's gone now, he's with the Indians permanent!"
AN INTERVIEW WITH DAVID J. by Chris Twomey, SHADES, 1983


"A lot of the songs on the album have a strong American feel to them. There are references to Jack Kerouac and Neal Cassady.

"That's only one song. You mean 'With the Indians Perminent.' The title of that one is taken from a quote by Neal Cassady. Kerouac was going to Mexico because he wanted to stay with William Burroughs there in order to write. As Cassady watched him cross the border into Mexico he said "That's it, he's gone now. He's with the indians perminent."
Etiquette and Epithets, ZIGZAG (January,1984)


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